Do you think there could be a VS fix for N3...

[steve]

Lobo, you didn't understand the premise of that post at all. Some have been saying there is a fix already but not being released because of either no money to pay for it or fear of capture. Using that information coupled with those who believe that IKS is the best thing that has happened and will be the future of "their" FTA, then it only made sense to combine the two.

Now, your statement that you are rebroadcasting signals getting the FCC involved AND even more illegal doesn't make a bit of sense either. IKS doesn't rebroadcast satellite signals at all. IKS does nothing more than capture keys or command codes or whatever data it is and sends it to the associated receivers (of which people ARE paying for now) and the receiving box uses that data to decruypted teh stream which is already coming down for their own satellite dish. This is if I understand IKS and ICS properly, and I think I have at least a basic grasp on this premise.

If my take on this IKS is coorect, then using a working bin/file/card would be no different than the current IKS system in place now - meaning no more dangerous than it is now. The difference is that all channels would be open because it would be from a hack rather than from a subscribed card. And I don't see how it is more illegal sharing data/keys/command codes from a hacked file than from a subscribed card - sharing the keys is shareing the keys no matter where they come from. Just more channels for everyone who uses the system

This is only in response to those who believe that the fix is already completed, which I don't think it is.

I just think you mis-understood what I was getting at is all. It was partly in joke tense anyway - because I don't believe there is a hack yet.

Steve

[stream]

If a hack or semi hack is out there I tend to believe it might just be slowly added to the IKS mix and we may never even see a stand alone fix again...look at it this way...you only needed a stb before, now everybody will need an add on hub as well (receiver + Hub) =more $$$$$$

Now remember back when /\/fusion first started with IKS... most part they never had an issue with ecm's.... they were always up and never had to scramble for a release bin...only hand full of update files needed a year ,less work for the coders and smaller staff of coders with more profit.It makes perfect sense...JMO

[UncleBill]

........Thing is, the manufacturers could be just raising the stakes. We've always had boxes available for stand alone files very cheap. We could buy a reciever for under a hundred if we were willing to pay attention, and make it work...very cheap compared to a sub. Now with HD boxes@ $250-450.00, me thinks that they are preparing us for the next level. They get more money for something that'll work, provide stand alone files that will only work on their premium line of expensive STBs. That would probably still be a good deal for the free tv'ers over time, but it would be sad for someone like myself that the hobby got taken over by the CPA's and Attorneys. We have always been an independent bunch, and a close knit group that is willing to test report results, share the info, and put it all together for the benefit of everyone. I don't see this continuing (sob, sob), but it'll be what ever it is in the end, so I'll wait and see.

B

[Angry_snowman1]

If thats true it would be sad that such a small percentage would get tv with IKS as so many receivers sit as doorstops.. That would turm me off if I was waiting.. If I was a customer and someone came out with a standalone on a new cheap receiver.. Id be all over it.. IMO

[sbennett]

[QUOTE.=steve;212807]The subs will be able to cancel without penalties because DN has failed to provide the programming listed in their contracts. DN will be dead.

[/QUOTE]


i don't get why this would be because DN changes their packages all the time without notice to their customers. it's in the contract that you sign that they have the right to do so. or at least it was in the one that i signed cause i remember not seeing that and when they changed it i called them and raised he11 about it and they pointed it out. yes if they lost those channels people would be upset and some would probably cancel their sub and go to DTV or cable but i don't think they would be able to cancel without penalties. not absolutely sure about the canceling part but is my opinion.

[steve]

I was referring to if all cable type channels were forced off as well as the movie and PPV channels.

Steve

[lobo]

what I see happening is maybe a hardware-type solution that does not rely on internet connection (IKS).

It will be a "programmable" add-on unit between your sub box and tv, that will be prgrammable to decode ppv signal, much like the old cable and filter boxes in olden days.

This will generate mass sales, generating mass papertrails, and end users will get busted.

Mass sales, because people will not be smart enough to tell that in effect, all this will be is the same as your current fta boxes used to be.

If the hobby isn't totally killed off, the next move will be a newer model stb with this hardware built into it, now made more expensive because of the added technology and hardware (see price diff between old CS, and a CS with a cardreader added, or a CNX compared with a CNX with DivX reader added)...

This will come under attack as well, as the built-in descrambling feature will obviously only have a single purpose, the decryption of signal. Can't argue about 3rd pary bins and end user risk, as no normal sub box will have that hardware or technology, making ANY stb sold with internal OR external descrambling units pure piracy (as in no True FTA "original purpose"),thus allowing the feds to outlaw those units.

The face of FTA IS changing. It will take time to play out, but unless things are done soon, there is only one way I can see the endgame being played.....

which does suck.

But honestly? It will NOT! fully stop piracy! Many companies are getting into internet broadcasting, which opens more piracy doors. There is still a strong community of "pirates" who record and post shows. Many people don't care if they see something a few days after the original broadcast....TiVo and VHS did THAT! There will be new ways of recording internet streams just as there are now. Some sites may go down, some people may get busted, but there will ALWAYS be those who find chinks in the federal armor and exploit them.

10 years later, FTP sites shut down, and yet I am STILL able to locate any program, song,album,tv show, and movie I want, should I desire to look.

FTA may change or go away, but piracy? Not gonna happen any time soon. Would be wiser to stop trying to be greedy, and look for affordable ways to reduce pricing and make it easier for the public to afford to "go legit". Yeah there is still music and movie piracy, BUT iTunes and other sites have found ways of curtailing a lot of it by offering single-song purchases and customizeable cd's. There are legitimate movie sites trying to do the same even now. Eventually so called pay per view will be the same way, online, thus cutting into DN,BEV,DTV,and Cable's bottom line.... and only cable will have a way to survive it because cable also provides "affordable" (LOL!) internet access.


Just my own thoughts on the subject, for what they are worth.

[steve]

Lobo, you may very well be correct in your analogy of what will most likely happen. And I do agree that piracy is out there no matter what anyone does to change that and will always be around in various forms. It's a form of human nature. Just how it works it's way out to the public is where the differences come into play. Although it is getting pushed farther underground. Notice that many new feeds on youtube is getting removed by the copyright holders. Hulu is going to change to a pay system. Those in power are working to end things like free IPTV as we speak. But, as you stated with the ability to capture the feed streams, there will generally always be someone posting those shows and movies someplace. It just may get harder and harder to locate them. But they will be there somewhere. Similar to satellite feeds, many of the shows people want are out there somewhere, just takes a little more work to find them, if looking for something specific. The internet is no different. I think the push to remove free tv from the internet is a push by the satellite providers and espeically cable tv in order to protect there interests. As futile as it may be, it is happening. Sites like Hulu are a prime example of this happening. There is money to be made and the internet tv feeds is one place to move the money to. One thing, IPTV is just as easy as satellite to obtain television from.

As was stated earlier, the best defense would be to just lower rates and eliminate the encryption of programming which is free from legal sources. More people would be willing to pay for the other stuff - maybe. But, as long as wide spread piracy exists, it is unlikely this will happen though. That is my take on it.

Steve

[stowie]

Hello there .the fix will come out buy vs,they are the best in the bus.

[musicmanitou]

Originally Posted by stowie

Hello there .the fix will come out buy vs,they are the best in the bus.

Must be the short bus!lol

[datsunboy]

Originally Posted by stowie

Hello there .the fix will come out buy vs,they are the best in the bus.

I already bought a VS.

[shrude]

I believe there will be a fix as to when I have know idea but the reason I believe this is human nature, if there is money involved leagle or illeagle there will be somebody there working it ,this might be a bad example but we just had 3 companys get busted a month ago cause they fond over 400 illeagle alians working there now after only a month there is just about as many
there now then there was before the bust, how many times have you seen the cops bust a drug dealer off the street and in less then a week there is another one there to take his place, if they shut down a cathouse in one county the next county over opens up one complete with the piano player.
I hope I dont sound to stupid cause im not sure how all the n3 chit works im just guessing its like everything els out there ,kind of like if somebody steels my car and they catch him and lock him up that dont mean I can stop locking my car doors cause I know I dont have to go far before I run into another guy with the balls to try it.