I don’t want to sound negative but………..

[freetvphil]

Do you think they haven't released a crack for N3 in europe because they were waiting for north america to go N3,... and mabey waiting for south america to go N3 also... if they cracked it in europe I think Dick and bev would of gone a different route.. I think the coders should get paid by nagravison for taking there sweet time so they still have some buisness... just a thought

[eddistelli]

well i believe one day there will be an N3 fix. until then i hope we still have Uncle Bill here. i have been away for a while sure hope things have not changed that much. lol

[xky11]

Nagra 3 has been out for a while in Europe and hasn't been cracked this is True but doesn't mean that is impossible for people in the NA to make it happen or people in Europe. like they say if man made it/created it then man can figure it out and break/decode it.if the money is right and in time some one will be willing to sell the fix for a good amount of money.funny thing is all this IKS systems are up and running. i think is only fair to wonder how in the hell can the PPV events work. well you may say unless the the IKS supporters pay for it then that's why you get it right but then again all the soccer games and extras on PPV. i mean are they really paying for all those events or do they know something that other box makes don't know? i think some coders know somethings and well they don't wanna let the cat outta the bag so to speak they are waiting for the right moment. Nagra 3 will be a big money maker for the coder/hacker that can prove that it has been hacked. never say never is what i say people you never really know in this crazy game.

[UncleBill]

I agree with ripp01! Let's blame it on MEGODTRON....BAD MEGODTRON!.....BAD!....An by the way welcome back Eddistelli!

B

[steve]

I tend to agree with the naysayers - but everyone knows that already.

As for the providers unencrypting the locals and then the pirates will not want to steal the programming? That's the biggest bunch of BS I have ever heard. 99 percent of the locals on paid sats are the major networks. Anyone, with an outside antenna, can get those networks locally anyway. How would that effect the pirates? You can already get those channels. The providers are starting to have to pay for those local channels now, including cable companies, so why can't they make their money back on them? If you want local channels, what's wrong with your local channels? You can get those for free as well.

Anything else that is available on the providers services, which are not like the movie channels and PPV is pretty much available on true FTA satellites anyway. Movie and PPV channels are copyrighted materials, for which the providers are paying per subscriber for. This is the reason for encrypting them in the first place. It's more to protect those copyrights rather than preventing the rest of the world from watching them without paying.

The reason DN is trying to prevent the piracy is to protect their programming more than just keeping you from watching them without paying. If they can't stop the piracy, they will loose the programming. AGain, where would everyone be in that case? No more DN. Then nothing more to pirate anyway.

Local channels are available OTA. Many other channels are available on other satellites for free as well. Hell, even the weather channel is free on other sats. It's up there guys. Just look for it. And no it isn't all published on lyngsat or satcodx either. But it's there and it's free. And some is even still analog - but digital quality pictures.

Just my opinion, as usual.

Steve

[jdinok]

I agree, look at the hackers that come up with a computer virus just for the hell of it so imagine if there was some kind of motivation behind it like big $$$. Like you said if someone can make it someone can figured it out and more than likely already has but for whatever reason are siting on it until they are ready to do something with it. Until then we will just have to wait and see how this plays out.

[bigmatt93]

Originally Posted by xky11

Nagra 3 has been out for a while in Europe and hasn't been cracked this is True but doesn't mean that is impossible for people in the NA to make it happen or people in Europe. like they say if man made it/created it then man can figure it out and break/decode it.if the money is right and in time some one will be willing to sell the fix for a good amount of money.funny thing is all this IKS systems are up and running. i think is only fair to wonder how in the hell can the PPV events work. well you may say unless the the IKS supporters pay for it then that's why you get it right but then again all the soccer games and extras on PPV. i mean are they really paying for all those events or do they know something that other box makes don't know? i think some coders know somethings and well they don't wanna let the cat outta the bag so to speak they are waiting for the right moment. Nagra 3 will be a big money maker for the coder/hacker that can prove that it has been hacked. never say never is what i say people you never really know in this crazy game.

good points. and also the Nfusion team has stated that all of DN,ppv included will be working as of december 1st. they are obviously not gonna pay for all the ppv's all the time so there has to be something else to it.

[I don't test]

Originally Posted by steve

I tend to agree with the naysayers - but everyone knows that already.

As for the providers unencrypting the locals and then the pirates will not want to steal the programming? That's the biggest bunch of BS I have ever heard.

Just my opinion, as usual.

Steve

The one thing I mostly miss is out-of-market locals. There is so much sports that I'm missing. Extremely frustrating when the local teams SUCK. Move channels are OK, same with porn, but sports are what got me into this way back when.

I don't think it's gonna happen either. This is just like the Dave days.

[ripp01]

you can get locals on OTA if you are in the right location. Some peeps are far away from the transmit towers, others are blocked by buildings and natural landscapes and others like those in the Montreal area have diddly when it comes to 1/2 decent English programming. As for the cable companies and sat providers paying the local stations, keep dreaming, it will be the consumer once again that will pay, as the CRTC will reach a happy medium and the public will pay so the locals get a slice of the pie while the providers keep their profits.
Anyone who has been watching the commercials being run by both parties can see the bullcrap. Local make their money from the advertisers, the more exposure the channels has the more they charge, if anything, the providers are helping them with the exposure, on the other hand, the providers are charging us for what they get for nothing and they too are raking in the $$$$. While they are stating there will be a tax of upto 10$ a month for locals, all they and the CRTC are conditioning the subscribers to accept a TV tax, but at a lower cost. Shock them w/ a 10$ prediction, then charge them 5$ and they will think they got a deal from the CRTC. politicians have used this tactic for years now, send out a feeler to bring up an new tax and slowly sneak it by them after everyone forgets about it till it happens.

[DSJ]

Originally Posted by lobo

maybe not forthcoming.... but NEVER????

I really gotta ask the naysayers....and I mean this polite, as we do enjoy your traffic here...but.....

If you honestly believe this is it, end of it all, NEVER gonna be a fix for NAG3..... why are you on an fta site? Now, True fta is a legit answer, as is loving the site and company

But I am really curious.... What is it that drives you naysayers to come here, knowing full well there "won't be a fix".... ????? I'm not trying to drive you away, just curious why you stay!

You nailed it for the naysayers.

Firstly never give up, if you do that's the end of everything.

Secondly Nag3 was created by man and man can undo what another does.

To naysayers just wait and give our guys at Freedom time

[twobadrams]

I don't see anyone charging for a IKS fix....They would just be asking dish to come and get me!!!! They make their money on sales of new boxes. Why would you want even more heat than they are already have on them??????

[steve]

I'm not sure about how it's done in Canada, but here, in the USA, many locals ARE charging satellite providers and cable companies for their programming - as it should be. And if the provider is charged, then the customer will be charged as well.

Out of market locals are not supposed to be available due to agreements long before the satellite companies started up.

As for sports - why not watch them on true FTA? they are everywhere up there and they are free and legal up there.

To the last poster who stated to give the Freedom guys time - just to make a point as it should be made - freedom has never cracked or will crack satellite signals. Freedom has only made available the resulting bin files.

And back to the "created by man and man can undo" this just isn't true. Otherewise all encryption would be hacked - there are many which isn't - and there is almost the same programming up there on the sats which is encoded by something other than N3 - PowerVu is an excellent example of that - no crack and it's been around for a lot longer than Nagravision. Also even Dave's encryption, videoguard, has been around for at least as long as DN has, and it has never been cracked - you heard it right - Dave was not cracked - only the cards. Which to a very large simularity, the same situation occured with Dish. Only the cards were cracked - not really the encryption itself for the most part anyway.

Steve